In this episode Brea tells about her model for the potential for harm from music. Brea, Daniel, and Tricia discuss their own clinical experiences with harm, and the implications of this model on the Music Therapy profession.

Brea Murakami, MM, MT-BC is a board-certified music therapist and the Interim Director of the music therapy program at Pacific University. Her clinical experiences include dementia care, neurorehabilitation, medical settings, and behavioral health. She also hosts the translational music science podcast Instru(mental) and blogs at
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Daniel Goldschmidt, MT-BC received his Bachelor of Music Education with a major in music therapy from the University of Kansas in 2012 and completed coursework for his Master’s in Music Therapy from Colorado State University in 2019. While at CSU he also received a graduate certificate in Gender, Power, and Difference. He has given interdisciplinary keynotes around the US on topics including music cognition (see his TEDx talk here), music as a tool for health professionals, and discussing the impacts of race and racism in music therapy. Daniel spoke on whiteness in music therapy at the AMTA national conference in 2019 and at the WFMT world congress in 2020. Beyond music therapy Daniel is also a composer/arranger with his music performed by choirs across the USA.

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